Kylo Ren vs Darth Vader - Who Would Win?
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Who would win? Let’s find out…
The temper tantrum prone leader of the knights of Ren takes on the menacing Sith lord… Will Kylo Ren take out Vader in a fit of rage?... or will Sidious’ apprentice force choke the young Ben Solo to death?
Let’s Fight...
To make sure the fight is neutral, it will be a random encounter (which means no prep time), and is set in a generic, unpopulated environment. They have their standard outfit and lightsabers.
They'll start 50 feet apart.
Now let’s take a look at the physical stats…
Kylo Ren is 6 foot 3 inches tall, and weighs around 195 Lbs. He is in peak physical condition and trained in martial arts but can obviously use the force to go beyond his human limits…
Darth Vader is 6' 8'' (2.03 m), and his weight is unknown. Estimates range between 90 to 200 kilos with the suit… He is a pretty sick man, and the suit is the only thing keeping him alive. However, like Ren, he can use the force to move beyond his physical limits.
Equipment
Each character is armed only with their standard outfit and lightsaber. Kylo Ren possesses a crudely assembled crossguard lightsaber, while Vader’s weapon is more carefully crafted. It’s worth mentioning Vader has a reliance on his suit, and this could be a potential weakness… The electronics of Vader’s suit are sensitive to electrical discharges, though Vader added a limited amount of insulation after discovering this. This could provide Kylo with an opening...
Despite the weaknesses imparted by the suit however, it also provides a number of strengths. These include greatly enhanced durability and stamina, numerous sensory enhancements, and protection from extremely inhospitable environments and biological weaponry.
Kylo Ren’s helmet offers some protection, and his robe contains some basic armour, as evidenced by the bowcaster shot to his pelvis, which should have destroyed him.
Fighting Skill
Vader has slowly learned to live with the burden the suit imposes on him. Vader had to change his lightsaber fighting style to compensate for the weight, bulk, and inflexibility of his armor.
While Ren is powerful at Force manipulation, Vader has a much better grasp of the finer points. We see Ren muscling his way into other people's heads and literally lifting people off their feet, but that’s like swinging a large bag of rocks around. Vader on the other hand may not have the explosive feats of Ren, having only thrown a few boxes around at best, but his control is great enough to be able to slowly choke someone to death, not because he lacks the power to do so, but because it’s exactly what he wants to do…
Vader still has superhuman reflexes, demonstrated by his clash with Ben Kenobi, and we've confirmation from TPM that trained force sensitives can move at super speed levels.
Ren might be one of the strongest force users in canon but his dueling skills are very average, as evidenced by the end of the force awakens. Vader should win every time here, until Ren progresses more in the next few movies.Darth Vader wins 8/10
Who would win? Let’s find out…
The temper tantrum prone leader of the knights of Ren takes on the menacing Sith lord… Will Kylo Ren take out Vader in a fit of rage?... or will Sidious’ apprentice force choke the young Ben Solo to death?
Let’s Fight...
To make sure the fight is neutral, it will be a random encounter (which means no prep time), and is set in a generic, unpopulated environment. They have their standard outfit and lightsabers.
They'll start 50 feet apart.
Now let’s take a look at the physical stats…
Kylo Ren is 6 foot 3 inches tall, and weighs around 195 Lbs. He is in peak physical condition and trained in martial arts but can obviously use the force to go beyond his human limits…
Darth Vader is 6' 8'' (2.03 m), and his weight is unknown. Estimates range between 90 to 200 kilos with the suit… He is a pretty sick man, and the suit is the only thing keeping him alive. However, like Ren, he can use the force to move beyond his physical limits.
Equipment
Each character is armed only with their standard outfit and lightsaber. Kylo Ren possesses a crudely assembled crossguard lightsaber, while Vader’s weapon is more carefully crafted. It’s worth mentioning Vader has a reliance on his suit, and this could be a potential weakness… The electronics of Vader’s suit are sensitive to electrical discharges, though Vader added a limited amount of insulation after discovering this. This could provide Kylo with an opening...
Despite the weaknesses imparted by the suit however, it also provides a number of strengths. These include greatly enhanced durability and stamina, numerous sensory enhancements, and protection from extremely inhospitable environments and biological weaponry.
Kylo Ren’s helmet offers some protection, and his robe contains some basic armour, as evidenced by the bowcaster shot to his pelvis, which should have destroyed him.
Fighting Skill
Vader has slowly learned to live with the burden the suit imposes on him. Vader had to change his lightsaber fighting style to compensate for the weight, bulk, and inflexibility of his armor.
While Ren is powerful at Force manipulation, Vader has a much better grasp of the finer points. We see Ren muscling his way into other people's heads and literally lifting people off their feet, but that’s like swinging a large bag of rocks around. Vader on the other hand may not have the explosive feats of Ren, having only thrown a few boxes around at best, but his control is great enough to be able to slowly choke someone to death, not because he lacks the power to do so, but because it’s exactly what he wants to do…
Vader still has superhuman reflexes, demonstrated by his clash with Ben Kenobi, and we've confirmation from TPM that trained force sensitives can move at super speed levels.
Ren might be one of the strongest force users in canon but his dueling skills are very average, as evidenced by the end of the force awakens. Vader should win every time here, until Ren progresses more in the next few movies.Darth Vader wins 8/10
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